I can't seem to stay logged in long enough to open the poll.
Any ideas?

Wally

Uh, yes, it is a Scott Davis race and will be one of the few combo events of the year. Last year, we only had 3 combined events (non, gang-only). One SDMX(Carnegie), one AMP(Oatfield) and one Old-Timers National (E-street w/SDMX). I can't imagine we'd have any more in 2010.

Martin179b wrote:Uh, yes, it is a Scott Davis race and will be one of the few combo events of the year. Last year, we only had 3 combined events (non, gang-only). One SDMX(Carnegie), one AMP(Oatfield) and one Old-Timers National (E-street w/SDMX). I can't imagine we'd have any more in 2010.

Thanks Martin. This was one of the rare occations where I wasn't trying to I was just curious as this is the race we started off with last year.

Yeah, it's the first REAL race after the Hangover Marathon in January.

So is this going to be another season of pretty much all double point races? I love the gang only, but damn it sucks to have almost everything double points. If it was not setup that way, would you get closer points battles? This is my opinion and I'm just asking because I have heard the same answer the last two times I've asked. " we want to get bigger turnouts and promote the club" well I can understand that to a certain degree, but I think the gang only events are what draw people, not everything double points. I race almost every weekend, gang or other, and it's f--kin hard as hell for someone to make it in or even stay in the top 25 when you miss more than one double points race. I got lucky and stayed in top 25 because good results and the way the new points matrix works (less riders for faster classes to recieve full points).

I just think it is a way to force people to go race every time so they have a crack at the top 25. If you can't layout the whole season (which you can't, i know this) then consider more single points races so a member has a fighting chance if they miss more than the season's allotted drops. This is something that may help everyone, because I'm sure allot of racers have family commitments or other issues and miss a double points race or two, then bam they are screwed because they missed double pointers and feel like it won't do justice to keep racing for the top 25. I hope I am making some sense here or at least getting some to understand what the hell I'm trying to say. 5 non-gang only = your 5 drops WTF???? that is just way too tough of a commitment, we all love racing the gang but it is not the only association on earth or the only thing to do every other weekend..

Sounds like a good meeting topic for December.....Or are you venting 'cause you missed a double points race to race Arenacross at Vegas

Slaney-

Point well taken. But, I doubt we are going to have 5 single points races in 2010 and not to just cheeze you off, but because the vast majority of our racers like the Gang Only races. Hard to schedule 5 races a year, to please 5 members, when the other 200 want the GO's, ya dig? We'll have a few but the bulk of the race season will be Gangeease Onleesey! We definitely don't want to get in the way of any member's desire to pursue a GFI or an AMP race series, but it's hard to balance the two.

FYI- we're still working on the 2010 schedule and had a pretty good schedule, but some changes need to be made and soon as the changes are firmed-up, we'll post up the schedule. We pretty much have it layed out up to the Reno National.

Stay tuned kids!

Mike26b wrote:Sounds like a good meeting topic for December.....Or are you venting 'cause you missed a double points race to race Arenacross at Vegas

Ha Ha, Nice one Mike.

Martin,
Thanks for the update. I'm just confused on why is it always double points if it is gang only. Why can't a gang only races be single points? I really like the gang only days, It makes for a great day to get your racing fix and then move on with other buisness. The attraction is Gang only right? So why not mix it up and Make some double and more than the drops single? Just voicing MY opinion because unforunatly (spelling) I cannot make all meetings, ya I know " if you want something to be addressed come to a meeting" lol.

Am I making sense Mart-heezy from Oakhizzle fo shizzle my fellow gang dizzle who owes me a brew skizzle..


And while I'm at it SHUT UP BERNAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KAWI 4 LIFE

I've been saying this for two years now but I am REALLY going to try to make it to some races next year (not just ride days ). With that said, the tracks I like to ride most are not always the ones I would want to race on. Does anyone else ever feel this way? One example is Carnegie which I think is a safe and fun place to race but can be boring when you are just poking around practicing. On the other hand (here's where I may ruffle some feathers) 408mx is an awesome track for me to practice on and work on technique but it just seems too tight for me to be comfortable on in a competitive scenario (yeah yeah, give me some cheese with that whine )

Also, for me, location is pretty important so close to home (Bay Area) is usually good. Just my $0.02

PS: Thanks for taking such good pics at Club last weekend, Mike. Until now I hadn't really seen any good ones of myself since switching to the thumper...

http://www.tractionaction.com/Motocross-Practice/Club-Moto/Clubmoto-Nov-22-2009/10406184_A7R5L#720923264_QsGyh-XL-LB

One example is Carnegie which I think is a safe and fun place to race but can be boring when you are just poking around practicing.

I completely agree. Carnegie would be a bore to just go ride practice on. But it's fun as hell to race on because there is nothing sketchy or huge there.

the entire points system is in need of reform imo. double points point matrix drops basically as long as a 30 expert rider shows up to every race and takes 1 gate he is in the top 10+. i have plenty of examples....... lets take the old timer national at e-st. we had 3 guys in my class i won stayed there that whole f-ing day and the 3 guys in the 30 exp class took there morning gate and all decided to go home early and they all get more points than me. or lets take the glen helen national. i race my but off to get 4th overall and wind up with the same points callahan no offence robert you killed this year buddy, just making my point here.

i dont have a perfect answer nor does anyone else. but i can tell you this, if you show up and race you deserve a shot at the top 25. if you dont show up then your, well, not in contention. no drops, no double points show up and make races if you want to be in the top 25 then. as for the matrix well imo it doesnt work. but like i said i dont have that answer.

those are just facts and i know im not the only one feeling this way and it would be nice if the rest of you would speak up.

Brian,
Here are some Facts for you! Fact, in the 30 expert class there was a guy running same lap times as Scott Davis and was not even a gang member, they just lrt him ride. Fact, there was another guy in the class that should not have been there and took Slaney out and allmost ended his season. Fact, Callahan,Marsh and Slaney all agreed that it was a bunch of B.S. along with a lot of other gang members who left and got there points.. Fact, I and other gang members including you, who were there got the shaft from the Old Timers. FACT, if you where in contention for club and national championships and got injured and had the chance to ride according to the bylaws you would do it too. Brian, I am not trying to step on your sack, but just trying to give you some facts.

All I was asking is to have the points mixed up. Not all double pointer and 5 single pointers ( 5-drops).

Now so you know something else, I have been PM'ed about this by our new Pres. and I will do my best to make the meeting to get it voted in. Also, if anyone has a problem with Rob doing what he did to save everything he EARNED this year I say you!!! I raced plenty of races this year and the past three years to raise the question. The points system was voted in because the faster classes had less riders and no real chance of getting top honors untill this year. We have been given that opportunity and I am thankful. We only left that ONE TIME and it was discussed between us three and we came up with that decesion. By the way Craig is 100% right about the 30 exp class that day. I thought my wrist was re-broke and could barely breath because some jackass who was not a gang member got a free pass that day and blasted me off my bike and he was not even in 30exp but on the same gate and had no clue who was who and just had to beat everyone for some stupid reason. If I went to Glen Helen I more than likely would have won the Nationals and handed that trophy to Rob because he earned it, I would have beat him on a points technacality and to me it is not the way I would want to win it. He got hurt when he and I were practicing and it almost ruined his year but he knows the game as I do and he did what he had to so he could be the First to go back to back for everything in the club. Club,Class,National and Ironman. He flat out kicked butt this year and deserves it. I lost alot of points and dropped back by not attending the last race of the year but I knew it would happen. I missed 4 double pointers and 2 single pointer this year and still finished 17th. I earned that the hard way by battling Callahan, Marsh, Forest, Tillery, Gamble and the other straglers that showed up on occasion and had good results (thank god). I hope you understand where I'm coming from and look forward to another season with the greatest club on earth....

craig, first off your not stepping on my sack. thats what a message board is for, so all of us from all over the bay can have a way to discuss these topics. and yes if i was in callahan's shoes i would have done the same thing. rules are rules. and just so we are clear, i dont think i ever discounted callahan in my above post. just stating examples of how the point system needs reform. now as for the "facts" about the old timer race that you stated, yes i was there, i saw the 30 exp race and agree that it was bs. but there personal reasons for packing up and leaving the race have no baring on the point outcome and why it was that way. but again, rules are rules and hats off to those riders that know and understand them. im just speaking my opinion on where i believe change is needed. again this has nothing to do with the riders personally.

i think what it comes down to is you can never really have a true fair way to determine overall club points. matrix or not it will always be uneven. unless we race with the same number of riders in all classes in all gates it will always be this way. maybe im wrong maybe theres a better way who knows, thats the beauty of voting.

oh, and ill second that greatest club thing